Paul: Cesc Fabregas and Arsenal’s Buy-Back Clause – Corrected!!
Good day gooners…. by Paul N
In my first look at the Cesc “Buy Back/Sell On” clause I seem to have mis-interpreted an important part of the analysis of the clause. (In Indian accent: Thousand apology’s sir) lol.
In the original article I said “Some urgency will arise to try & at least recoup some of the £35m already spent by trying to sell Cesc. … blah.. blah.. blah.. .. If they sell to anyone else but AFC, they make a loss of £35m as the 50/50 sell on split cancels each other out.”
This is not entirely correct because it may seem that there is a threshold that the sale must reach for Barca to break even after they have paid the 50% sell on fee. Barca has to sell for £70m or more to break even or profit.
This is how it works…
If Barca has £100m & pay AFC £35m, then sell for £70m – give AFC another £35m – then Barca is left with the same £100m they started with (100-35 + 70-35 = 100), breaking even. Anything less than double what you paid will result in a loss i.e. If Barca has 100m & pay AFC £35m, then sell for £60m – give AFC another £30m – then Barca is left with £95m which is a £5M loss (100-35 + 60 -30 = 95).
My apologies…
The confusion is created when you link the 50/50 sell on fee with the initial sale, this is corrected when you consider the above examples in the following context: if Barca spent £35m up front & parted with £35m later as the sell on fee the books will show £70m went out & £70m came back in.
There is still an urgency!
However, even if you look at the deal now with revised/corrected probabilities, there still is an urgency for the Barca board to manage the situation attentively. As with any player a club buys, there is a risk that the player might not perform or may become disgruntled for some reason or the other. And if such a situation arises then the race is on for the board/manager to try & resolve the problem…
Which way the Barca board or manager chooses to go? only time will tell.
Thanks for reading. (Sorry once again guys.)
Paul.N
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Thanks for the correction. This clarification clearly shows that AFC have a chance of re-signing Cesc. My main worry now remains: What does Cesc earn currently and what will AFC be wiling to pay per week? It appears AFC have a very restricted wage structure that is not responsive to the market forces. In other words, AFC may fail to meet Cesc current wages and consequently fail to re-sign him, unless he accepts a pay cut.
Peter
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He actually took a pay cut to return home and even helped fund his return to Barca if memory serves me right.
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i think that hes only being paid roughly what he was at arsenal before he went so hes not going for money likes some people said he justs wants to play in his country and club where he started but his not gettin enough play time and considering an arsenal move
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Yea, we have heard
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Bring Cesc back to his 2nd home where he is more loved than his ”supposedly DNA” 1st home!!
Imagine him playing with Cazo? It will surely be Spain FC in the EPL!!!
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Cesc is not a traitor. he did what every professional footballer would have done. there is no doubt he loved arsenal and will always be an arsenal golden boy. i wish he returns to the emirates.
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Bring Cesc back on Emirates on loan in winter transfer window !!!!!
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Cesc can go to hell,he was the reason Nasri and co left,if he was in AFC none would have left because they love and respect him and he would have persuaded them to stay,he can rot in barca bench for all i care,he destroyed us and now he’s destroying himself.
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If you think that Cesc could influence Nasri from leaving Arsenal for a triple salary and double offer salary (Nasri was paid 55K/w, offered 90k), you must be thick in your head.
If you are a young kid living all by yourself overseas away from your family for 8 years, and you don’t long to go home, you are a dumb and heartless person.
If you don’t know that all Cesc has ever said after leaving about Arsenal and Wenger is all respect, you are ignorant.
If you don’t appreciate Cesc scoring a goal against Barca with a broken leg, coming in as a sub with a hamstring injury to score against Villa, then you’re a not really an Arsenal fan.
All you know is just spewing crap.
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Arsenal`s mid field this season is arguabley one of the best for years ,and the best is yet to come, so I don`t see how Cesc could fit in without benching someone, but who?
No, for me he`s made his bed he must lie in it. Henry is a slightly different kettle of fish and he`s only on a working holiday.( if he comes?)
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Paul jst shut d f***k nd talk abt somelse cos we ar nt even instrest in him. .we dnt need cesc cos we’ve goten santi nd u wont lik him wen is angry!
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I want all guner fans 2accept him back 2adopted home
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I wishing and praying he returns. God pls hear my prayers
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@Paul N:
Where do you find this contract-information?
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Correct me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t the price for Fab 35million Euros, not pounds? So in order to turn a profit Barca have to sell him for €70 million (£56 million).
Still seems unlikely to me that he would fetch this much money as he isnt in the form he was the last time he was sold. And if he did of course, thats a cool £28 mil back in the bank of Arsenal.
What worrys me is that without a silly amount of money being put on the table Barca dont stand to make very much out of this sale, and thats going to make them reluctant to sell unless he starts kicking up a fuss which isnt looking likely either.
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lets see how the team goes till xmas and if we need to bring cesc back get a deal done, or if we are firing on all cylinders and we don’t need him, leave him where he is on the bench for barca
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i dont know how you got confused because if you had followed his saga transfer closely you would have known that he signed a clause with a 90 millions sale on price,its more like a lack of research??
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I would like to see him come back, in the real world that is not going to happen, we wont pay what is required to get him back, not the transfer fee or the wages, that would upset AFC’s profit margins.
And Tonero is right, the main reason we have lost half our first team in the last few years is because of cesc and his bitching, want away attitude, it spread like a disease rotting our squad from the core.
I thought Wenger had cured our squad rot with all the changes but listening to Sagna and Coquelin recently maybe there is a residue of moaning bitching ‘special’ players that need a slap, stop moaning, start playing to win and EARN SOME TROPHIES!
I only want to see players who want to win for Arsenal, not because they pay them more than anyone else will offer or because other players will carry them to victory.
Roll your sleeves up lads, get stuck in and WIN some F*CKING TROPHIES.
I AM SICK OF THE BITCHING, cesc must take some responsibility for that, he got what he wanted, now he should suck it up and get on with it.
The exact same thing all our players should be doing right now, showing some real ambition, not bitching and moaning to the press about meaningless shit.
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Exactly right true Gooner
Why should we be a safety blancket for any player.
“It’s my dream to play Barca but if it goes t*ts up I’ll come back and pretend it never happened because the fans here love me.”
Would these fans accept these terms before he walked out?
No way…But it makes sense to them now.
WoW..
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Essential commodity. All emotions aside, bringing Cesc back, whether on loan in January or permanently next summer, makes a lot of sense to me. He wouldn’t cost too much to bring in due to his buy back clause and since he took a pay cut to move to Barca so shouldn’t be too expensive in terms of salary either. He would be the ideal man to play in the advanced central midfield position behind the central striker, particularly now since he has really improved his goal-scoring ability at Barca. This means Cazorla can actually move to his favoured position which is like a defecto winger (something like David Silva). The engine room in the central midfield will have Arteta and Wilshere. We have Poldi on the left wing, Cazorla on the right wing, Giroud up front and with Gibbs, TV5, Koscielny, Sagna and off course Szczesny, its a fantastic line-up, the key being that Wilshere and Sagna return to their best fairly quickly. This also means we could easily cope with Walcott leaving as with players like Gervinho, Ox, Diaby, Rosicky, Ramsey, Coquelin and Frimpong available the midfield and wings have excellent bench strength. I still feel that we could use a good central striker as back up for Giroud. Podolski can fill that role too but he is doing great on the left wing (I am particularly impressed with his defence work ethic) so I wouldn’t change that. So with Cesc returning to a squad that is shaping up rather well, we could have an abundance of creative and goalscoring ability at our disposal and that coupled with a much better organised defence and a gritty central midfield (Arteta, Diaby and Wilshere) would be my recipe for the premiership title.
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@Axel: I picked up on the same info on the below site,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8703312/Arsenals-sense-of-loss-from-Cesc-Fabregas-departure-softened-by-clauses-in-his-Barcelona-contract.html
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@tissiam – 90 million?? uhhmm, where did the writer talk of a confirmed ‘Buy Out’ amount?? he merely suggested an amount for his example, anyway read the below URL then you can read what the reported ‘Buy Out’ is, 90m Euro’s or Pounds is way off Tissiam.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8703312/Arsenals-sense-of-loss-from-Cesc-Fabregas-departure-softened-by-clauses-in-his-Barcelona-contract.html
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Hello guys.
As hard as I try to leave this alone I can’t.
His class is undoubted but no more than other greater and more influential players who have left us in the past.
I am clearly missing something.
Nostalgia,and sentimentality has it’s place in football but it should not be at the expense of moving forward.
I wanted him to stay but my interest ended the day he left.
Seaman replaced Lukic,Pires replaced Overmars,Cole replaced winterburn,Anelka replaced Wrighty,Henry came along and so on.Big clubs evolve and move forward.
By all means appreciate his contribution but who’s to say Cazorla can’nt be better with time and support from us.
We have effectively dedicated days of discussion to a player who left over a year ago.
It’s not betrayal to move on, it’s necessary.
Are we really spending the whole international break talking about a Barca player?
Rather than our own players who we will be expecting to perform this weekend.
Let’s hope they all come back free of injury and full of committment to our season.
Barcaelona’s fans will want the same and rightly so.
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He is a great player for us so if we can aford him. Why not brig him back.I can see him become world best player if he comes bcs he is the man that know afc pertern too well. Dant foget his kiler Pas nobody can do same. But not with baca. Fab come back to your home afc.
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